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4216) marieta davis 1893 
montgomery mi
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smile "RIGHT TO RIDE" Bill is one step closer, HB4610 was passed in the Senate on Thursday, next step, Immediate Effect for HB4610 and getting SB578 on the House Calendar. Stay tuned, it's been quite a ride so far.

Laurie Myers MTRA #6377 Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:54 PM
4215) Therese Kline 2049 
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February 2010

Friday the 19th at 8 pm
Saturday the 20th at 2 pm
Saturday the 20th at 8 pm
Sunday the 21st at 2 pm
Location: Arena, Exhibit Area
For additional information contact: Brian Nielsen (517) 432-1378
4214) Therese Kline 2049 
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An update on the workers that have graciously volunteered to help out MTRA this year at the Stallion Expo in Lansing March 12, 13, and 14.


FRIDAY March 12
OPEN TO NOON Dave & Therese Kline
NOON TO 3 Nancy and Terry Swearengin
3 TO 6 Charley Hardaker and Belinda Esterline

9 TO NOON Connie Nelson & Polly Moore
NOON TO 3 Gail & Randy

SUNDAY March 14
9 TO NOON Judy Beissel, Lucy Smith & Nancy Triupiano
NOON TO 3 Mary Dale Casey
3 TO CLOSE Dave & Therese Kline

Please call or email to volunteer: 517 625 3173

Thank you!
4213) Therese Kline 2049 
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Have you ever wondered what that crusty \"fungus\" was on your horse or whether or not you should be concerned about the marble-sized lump on your gray horse\'s tail? Well, come to MSU on Saturday morning for a discussion of common and not so common skin problems of horses.

On Saturday, March 20, 2010, Drs. Hal Schott, Elizabeth Carr, and Annette Petersen, MSU College of Veterinary Medicine, will lecture on \"Crusts, bumps, lumps and other icky skin conditions.\"

This educational lecture will be held from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. in E-100 Veterinary Medical Center, East Lansing, MI 48824. Admission is free but any questions can be directed to Linda Silvers, CVM Publications and Media Relations, (517) 355-0001 or

Parking: The Veterinary Medical Center is located on the southeast corner of the intersection of Bogue Street and Wilson Road. Please park in the NORTH section of the Wharton Center parking ramp--access via Shaw Lane. Walk south out of the ramp to Wilson Road. You will be facing the Veterinary Medical Center. Cross the road and turn right. The entrance to E-100 is west (right) of the entrance to the Small Animal Clinic (do not use the Small Animal Clinic entrance).
4212) Therese Kline 
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! What a huge help that was!!!!!

I'd like to extend a HUGE thank you thank you thank you to a few people that helped out with Ionia Horse Trails Association presentation to the NRC: Barb Drake - your emailed information was just what we needed! Sandi Roath - your map made it clear how few horse campsites there are in a 50 mile radius of Ionia! Gale Moore - your phone calls and information were very helpful in comparing Sleepy Hollow to Ionia, thank you for being there to support the talk. Rob and Vicki Potter - the time you have put in finding the information needed, forwarding the emails and researching workbee times - HUGE help!! Marsha Putnam - even with your family committments you made the time and the efforts to help - thank you! Melva Parker for her research! Wendy Harris - your well written well thoughtful email was catalyst to the NRC and Director Humphries position. Thank you to Those who had tried to register and found the camp full and passed their thoughts on to us for use: Renee Sandborn, Jamie jayjay (whose last name I do not have), Shevonne Hartfield - thank you all!! Mike Foote for further support, thank you. Val Vail-Shirey, Larry Julian and MI Equine Partnership for all their suggestions that were MOST helpful. Gabz who listened to the procedings and offered suggestings.

And the biggest thank you to my husband Dave who put up with all the printing, phone calls, emails and crazyness the past 15 days. You have all helped so much - can't do it with out all of you!!
Your help has made it noted: for the changes that occurred at Ionia have been 'backed off'. It is not a done deal like we had feared! HOORAY!!! Thank you all!! YOU DID IT!!!!!

Guest Friday, February 5, 2010 06:03 AM
Does this mean they didn't take away the 20 camping sites?

Therese Kline 2049 Friday, February 5, 2010 04:12 PM
Guest - It means that the Department will look over the reasoning and any facts behind the change, and explore those facts.

It means that open communication is very important to the DNRE.

It means that they are taking their NEW duties of Park Oversight seriously - the Commission WAS NOT responsible for the Parks or this decision before the merging of DNR DEQ and DID NOT participate in the decision for change - but they sure will participate in the review of what happened, and what will happen next.

We all need to remember they have had this new job for mere DAYS and are just now learning all the new duties involved.

The decision and future decisions dealing with State Parks will now have the Commissions oversight - specifically a Committee was formed to do so with Mr. Charters, Ms. Brown and Mr. Coleman serving.

This oversight is new to them and I think they are very willing to work with us and keep open lines of communcation so that this will not occur again without public forums and a chance for user groups to voice their opinions, much like the CIS Trail meetings.

The best things we can do now is 1. thank the Commissioners and Director Humphries for the willingness to listen and work with us (Director Humphries has ridden at Ionia and shares our space concerns!) and 2. make a reservation and camp at Ionia 3. Join Ionia Horse Trails Association and show your support by attending their upcoming events.

If you try to make reservations and are told the camp is full email me, and snail mail Ionia Rec Area. I am going to keep a running list to present.

Additionally, a sign in board at the day use area would further show the equestrian committement to Ionia and the use it gets.

I'm confident that after yesterday's meeting, involvement and discussion we'll see a reversal of this decision.

We were not promised anything at the meeting other then there would be a review. And any changes won't happen overnight - the current closure and change is in the computer system already, as many who tried to register found out - but I am confident it will happen.

Therese Kline 2049 Monday, February 8, 2010 02:09 PM
smile Guest - The equestrians have been given back the sites! Let's make sure we use them!! smile
4211) Marsha Putnam #1642 
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Ok, several things for you horse friends to think about.
1.A friendly reminder that this Saturday, Feb. 6 is the Sleepy Hollow Trail Riders Annual Meeting & Auction, at the Victor TWP Hall 6832Alward Rd. Laingsburg,Mi. Hall set up at noon, 2:00pm potluck with a short meeting to follow.Yup we have slate of nominees who want to jump on board. Don Brown will be our auctioneer for all the donated items.He's a hoot to watch. Afterwards,Danny C and Rex B. will be entertaining with their guitar picking and singing. (Some of you will remember them form singing onthe past Oct MTRA ride.)
Everyone is welcome. Hope to see ya there. Check out SHTRA's web by Sleazy Barb Drake at [] We've got 2010 events planned. Want to ride or drive a draft? Rotten Egg Hunt? DAMN Ride? See Pat Brown riding headless?

2.The Ionia-Owosso Rail trail-CIS is still in the active planning phase by a DNR stearing committee. Concept options do include Equestrian portions!!! I'm still trying to find out if the design/plans are "horse friendly".Info on what this committee is working on is hard to achieve. I do know that they are looking & rethinkinghow to include horses on the trail along the Maple Rider west of Muir. Last March, equine interest shown at the DNR open Houses resulted in even having horses included in the plans. Thank you to those who took the time to attend.This March 31 at 7:00pm Baker College, S M-52 the "plans" will be unveiled at the Friends of the CIS Rail Trailto the public for input. This will be a very important meeting!!! Save the date. I'll have more info at Expo.

3. My home computer is ornery-something w/the hard drive and will not open my emails , so if you are trying to get a hold of me, don't email. Phone is 989-661-2541. My mom is not well and I'm at the hospital w/her most of the time.
4210) barbie the bus driver 
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If the question to barbie,was me, about running for the board, sorry I can't and still be the bus driver. I will work hard at being good at that. And continue to help where I can. Looking forward to seeing you all in on the May ride and all the other rides. god bless.
4209) Gordon Davis 
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Right To Ride Bills

It is our understanding that HB 4610 and SB 578 may be taken up for FINAL votes on Thursday, February 4, 2010! Time frame is approximate between 10:00am - 1:00pm Session starts at 10:00am but to say when exactly our bill will come up has not been announced yet. This is at the Capitol in Lansing. All supporters are welcome to join us in the gallery to watch and support the proceedings.

Gordon Davis # 1893 Monday, February 1, 2010 04:44 PM

Connie #3775 Thursday, February 4, 2010 02:08 AM
We will be meeting at the Anderson House Building cafeteria-just across form the Capital around 9:30 today and then walking over to the Capital as a group-we would like to take a group picture before hand....If you can take the time off work and would like to help show your support-we would love to have you join us!
4208) Kite #5337 
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FOr SALE McCall Air-Ride 5th Wheel Hitch.4-Way dampening-dual guages & in cab controls- 25,000 lb rating . Only used 4 years...sold new over $3500.
$2500 or Best Offer. Pulls a trailer like a charm. 231-592-3144 or email for pics.....
4207) marilyn burney 
merritt, mi.
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Posting for Steph Thorne MTRA #2010:for sale abandoned at boarding facility,AQHA gelding,22 yrs.old Zippo Pine Bar breeding,quiet and gentle,perfect for young child,trained in Western Pleasure.Past due boarding bill is $1,500,will consider all offers.517-852-9720
4206) Colleen McGraw MTRA 2308 
Ann Arbor, MI
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Posting for the owner of the farm where I board my horses. It is a very nice place:

Country Living on Horse Farm
Quiet, cute, and cozy
Upper level 1 bedroom apartment
Full kitchen and bath w/walk through closet
8'x10' deck w/ beautiful view
Utilities included & basic Dish Network
One mi. east of Gregory, MI
Horse boarding available
Non-smoker, No children
$600 per month. Call for information
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EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY MTRA MEMBERS ONLY WILL BE ALLOWED TO POST ON THIS FORUM. YOU MUST ENTER YOUR FULL NAME AND MTRA NUMBER. Any posts from non members will be deleted and IP \'s banned. Non members wishing to post ads for horse, tack, equipment or announcements may do do for a charge of $10.00 each. Send payment by PayPal to

If this plan is not successful at eliminating the childishness that has been going on, we will revert to a password system.
4204) Sandslinger 
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big grin Is anyone interested in alpacas?
4203) Sandslinger 
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Is there anyone here who may be interested in alpacas? There is a lady located in the Kalamazoo area who has 17 gelded brown males that are available. Just thought I would pass this along, trying to help....Have a great evening!

fawnsmomn(guest) Saturday, January 30, 2010 01:31 PM
I would love one there are so cute !! But not set up for them quite yet. But I will pass this info on to a friend of mine who has been wanting to get some.
4202) Therese Kline 
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*Director of Marketing and Communications*

The American Paint Horse Association, the second largest stock horse
association in the world, has an immediate opening for a marketing and
communications professional in Fort Worth, Texas.

This position requires extensive experience in marketing, and a
demonstrated ability to develop and implement strategic plans that
support and advance the Association's mission. This position also
requires a thorough knowledge of all forms of print and electronic media.

This person must possess good communication skills with strong creative
competence, good management techniques and the ability to give
persuasive presentations.

He or she must also be willing to travel, multi-task and represent the
Association at equine oriented events. This person will manage APHA gift
shows and sponsorship/affiliation programs.

Strong leadership skills are necessary for the successful candidate with
a proven track record of supervising and motivating staff members.

He or she must have a degree in marketing or related field with a
minimum of 10 years experience. Knowledge of and a passion for the
equine industry is preferred.

The American Paint Horse Association offers a competitive salary, a
great benefits package including; 401(k) program, health and dental
insurance, vacation, holidays and a stimulating working environment.

Candidates should send a cover letter and resume and samples to: 2800
Meacham Blvd., Fort Worth, TX 76137, Attn: Human Resources.

T.B Friday, January 29, 2010 09:46 AM

Can you shoot me an email. I have a question for you abut these jobs.


Therese Friday, January 29, 2010 11:10 AM
Hi Tracy -
What's your email please?

Mine's above or
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Some of BTRA'S trail riding events have been uploaded on Saddle Up - website and calendar of events section.


- March 27th Open Trail Ride
- May 15th Pinckney to Brighton Trail Ride
- Oct. 23rd Poker Ride
- Nov. 7th Open Trail Ride

Brighton will be using these events to pay for the new well and pump used to get water to the horse area. While some of the work has been donated, much money is needed to complete the project - as anyone who has put in a new well knows! Costs are estimated from $3000 to $10,000 depending on well depth.

Please help Brighton with their well project by attending these events or making a small donation.
4200) Stock trailer 
Mid MI
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(4200) 2003, 6'6" tall, 12' long Bonanza. Electric brake, rubber mat and has swing divider that goes from side to side.
Trailer is in very good condition and only weighs 2400lbs.

Kathleen Friday, January 29, 2010 08:28 AM
Can you please send your contact info to

thank you!
4199) Sandy 
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I am very proud to be a member of MTRA and Pigeon River & Beyond-Back Country horsemen. My husband Norm and I were in Lansing Tue,26th, to support the Right to Ride bill. We came home feeling so good about what has been accomplished in the last year with this battle.WE HAVE WATCHED SOME VERY DEDICATED HORSE LOVING ENTHUSIASTS GIVE UP THEIR LIVES FIGHTING FOR ALL THE EQUINE PEOPLE OF MI to get back THE lands that have been taken away from us,and to keep any More from being taken away unlawfully.The right to ride bill is sooo close now to going to the Governor's desk. So Wednesday I anxiously open my MTRA newsletter to read ,,,,WE WILL NOT BE WATERING AT SMITHS BRIDGE THIS YR , why , because of EROSION AND SHORELINE DAMAGE,,, WELL THATS BULLCRAP!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A LIE, I am so angered that our President and Board once again let the DNR blackmail them into this resolution , IT IS JUST WRONG,And one more thing while I;M VENTING ,,, JUST HOW DOES THE PEOPLE THAT GET THEIR NEWSLETTER BY COMPUTER GET TO VOTE FOR BOARD MEMBERS.THANKS FOR GIVING ME YOUR EAR . SANDY

Kay Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:29 AM
Call or email the secretary Chris to get a absentee ballot. Maybe some new people would make a difference!

Therese Kline Thursday, January 28, 2010 02:53 PM
Sandy -

Initially, that does read rather negatively, doesn't it?

The DNRE watches closely for Soil Erosion and Sediment Control (SESC) on flowing water bodies. The definition of a flowing water body is taking a small pen sized piece of wood and placing on the water - if it floats that's a body of water to be protected. If it floats and travels (there is a water current in other words) that rachetts up the protection the body of water has/is entitled to.

Basics of these rules are on the DNRE site here:

and here

Unless we were at the meeting and spoke directly to the DNRE officials we probably don't know what exactly happened. This was one board meeting that I missed, so I don't know which DNRE officials the information came from or how the event was presented by them.

Maybe I/we are missing the rest of the story that explains why the DNRE and the Board came up with this response.

Perhaps our Board SAVED us from having to take another route away from that crossing all together and resulting in more miles between camps, or maybe they SAVED us from a large fine which is what the DNRE does when there is an SESC rule broken.

I don't know. But maybe a call to one of the Board would give the whole story.

I have 3 certifications of training for SESC and know how very touchy this subject is for the DNRE - and the fines and punishments for infraction are daunting to large corporations, let alone MTRA.

Would a Board member care to talk about this more here? Help us understand what happened?

Pat Galloup Friday, January 29, 2010 06:02 AM
Big decisions like this should require two meetings to be resolved one to present the issue to the club (we are a club of equals) and one to make the decision after listening to the members input. This would reduce rumors and increase solidarity.

Georgi Friday, January 29, 2010 01:03 PM
I attended the board meeting and there was a conservation officer in the river when we were there in Sept, he complained. The DNR said do not water here anymore or you will lose the trail and have to ride on 72, which is very busy here. We had to agree to get our ride dates approved for this year. Hopefully in the future we will be able to use this water hole again. You gotta do what they want if you want approval for us to use these trails and that is how it is. The board does't like it either.

Semore Saturday, January 30, 2010 07:28 AM
Reading this thread, I am concerned with the ultimatum/threats. SOMETHING must have happened to prompt this. I intend to question the NRC Members next week and see WHY this evolved. The DNR maintains a daily log to document their activities each day they work. It's public record. Perhaps a review of some activity logs will get to the bottom of the REAL story. There is more to this than meets the eye. WHY is this suddenly a problem to water at Smith's bridge? Anyone? Was there an incident? An Arguement? Allegations and complaints on erosive conditions alleged to be caused by Equestrian activity has been addressed and debunked numerous times. This should be pursued and ALL facts of this circumstance examined. It appears the assault on users will continue to chip away one piece at a time. Reading info at this link further raises my curiosity.

Sandy Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:02 PM
In regards to the web site [] this is what I found

This exemption should apply to a horse or any other animal that takes a drink in a stream!

History: 1979 AC; 1998 AACS.

R 323.1705 Permit exemptions and waivers.

(c) An earth change of a minor nature that is stabilized within 24 hours
Of the initial earth disturbance and that will not contribute sediment to
Lakes or streams

As I stated, erosion is not the real reason for losing our water hole at Smiths Bridge. I feel the current management DNRE would not have complained if the people watering their horses had just let their horse drink near the edge of the river and then left the area. If our MTRA continues to think we have to go along with everything the DNRE says, I guarantee we will lose every water access across our trail system.

Therese Kline # 2049 Monday, February 1, 2010 06:49 AM
If riders just watered the horses, only that, and then left the area then the DNRE officer would have no reason to bring up a complaint.

If riders were doing other things then just watering horses, then the DNRE officer would have reason to bring up a complaint.

If the DNRE officer had a camera and documented what was happening (this is how the DNRE documents incidents - date, time, location all on the camera) there is no recourse for punishments, no arguement could be made by our Board.

The persons who were at the Bridge on the ride know what happened. The Board knows what happened. A decision was made that allows riders to continue to use the trail.

Maybe what happened is not something that the Board or the DNRE wants out there - airing dirty laundry for all to see. A call to a Board member to discuss this may be the thing to do to keep the dirty laundry 'home'.

Actually, it is the horses that are actually being punished - not being allowed water after being on the trail.

Sometimes the Board does not have 2 meetings, 2 weeks or 2 hours to make decisions - sometimes the decisions have to be made right away, weighing the best alternatives for all members,and for the health and safety of the horses.

The MTRA board does not make decisions without as much discussion as possible in the time allotted.

Carol Hyzer 938 Monday, February 1, 2010 09:01 AM
I have to correct what you posted. there was no discussion of plan of action at the board meeting or at the trail management committee. The letter of complaint was not made available for board members to read at either of these meeting. Our president made a decision to respond to this letter without input of the board.

This watering hole has been used by the club for fifty years. Since it is only two miles from my home I visit it frequently to walk my dog and to kayak.
There is no erosion at this watering hole.

Gordon Davis # 1893 Monday, February 1, 2010 04:07 PM
If someone at the Smith Bridge horse watering area was in violation of rules or law, the DNRE Officer that was on site should have issued a citation to the offender or offenders. That action should have been the end of story.
4198) Sherry McAlpine 4431 
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(4198) Featherlite 2002,Straight load,walk through to changing area, saddle racks under mangers and spare tire in changing area. 7500.00

Sherry Friday, January 29, 2010 05:35 PM
embarrassment Sorry 2001
Thanks Sherry

Sherry Sunday, January 31, 2010 05:12 AM
4197) Therese Kline 
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Ionia Trail Riders Association, [] the group keeping up the trails and camp at Ionia Recreation Area, wishes to invite you to these events:

2010 Camping Schedule

April 23-25 Spring Work Bee

May 14-16 Memorial Ride

June 25-27 St. Jude Ride in the Organizational Campground

July 16-18 in the Equestrian Campground

August 20-22 in the Equestrian Campground

September 24-26 Harvest Festival Weekend in the Equestrian Campground

October 15-17 Chili Cook Off in the Equestrian Campground

You will want to register early for your campsite - overflow equestrian camping will be in the Group Camp now.

Memorial Day sites are going fast!

For a copy of the new map showing sites available for horse camping call (616) 527-3750.

Make reservations here
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